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Prince Hal's avatar

These are entertaining reads, but you're too easily spooked and don't seem to have an adequate lay of the land with respect to the online right. Do you really think there's a brewing fascist threat from "frog twitter"? The MAGA, Q, and America First crowds are orders of magnitude larger (literally, not in the English major sense of that phrase) and have catalyzed actual IRL demonstrations, and both the HBD and IDW crowds have more mindshare on the "dissident right" than right-wing bodybuilders and shitposting grad students.

Make explicit the model of the near future latent within your foreboding historical allusions to see how preposterous its predictions and causal machinery are: "BAP and adjacent personalities, starting from Twitter and podcasts, are building a following they will turn into the cadre of an extremist political movement that will seize power in the United States and... do genocide, or whatever." lol.

The most charitable reading of all this petty name-calling and attempted mogging that I can muster is this: "These ideas are morally objectionable and not in line with the principles of the American Founding." To which my response is: "Yeah, no shit. And yet."

Why would they be so resonant with Claremont types? Is it possible, just maybe, that given the course we've been tracking as a country for decades now, the "Bronze Age Mindset" offers a salutary corrective to our heading that actually brings us *closer* to something like what might be called a Founding Generation Mindset?

We are so far from the founding stock of this nation — not just institutionally, intellectually, and experientially, but yes, biologically (and this is not a claim about race or ethnicity, at least not in the contemporary sense of those terms) — that only radical departures from contemporary thought can bring us closer to actually existing 1776 red-white-and-blue Americanism.

I suggest temporarily suspending the post-Nuremberg neurotic impulse to cry out "fascism!" at every turn, and instead reading recent phenomena on the political right with a more open mind and broader historical frame of reference.

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Roger Zimmerman's avatar

Wow. Powerful documentation, interpretation and integration. We have been forewarned.

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